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Only a few buttons can be learned...

Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:51 am

Hello,

I'va been using Girder for over a year with my AST remote without any problem. Unfortunately, I'm having lots of difficulty having Girder learning codes through the USB-UIRT...

When in learning mode (EventString -> Lear Event), USB-UIRT will only accept a few codes from my remotes (the ones it accepts make its red light flashing). All others are ignored, and its light only flashes on and off once, very shortly...

What can I do to have the USB-UIRT learning codes properly?
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Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:04 am

sbourden,

When in normal use (i.e., not learning), does pressing buttons on your remotes cause the USB-UIRT led to flash? Also, does the Girder 'LED' blink and a code appear at the bottom of the Girder screen?

-Jon
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Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:12 am

Hello,

When in normal use, pressing buttons on the remote causes USB-UIRT led to flash, very shortly. The Girder LED doesn't blink and no code appears at the bottom of the screen...

This only happens with some remotes (like the AST remote that I used to use on my serial port).

When USB-UIRT only flashes on and off very shortly, does it means that this button (code) can't be learned by USB-UIRT?

Thank you for your support!

P.S.: I'm planning to use USB-UIRT with SnapStream; do I need to "program" Girder to control my Digital Cable Box or should I only "progam" SnapStream during the installation procedure?
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Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:29 am

If possible, I would appreciate an 'IR Debug' of one of your AST remote buttons. To do this:

1. Create a new command in Girder.
2. Hightlight the command, choose the Plugins tab, and highlight 'USB-UIRT Driver' and press the settings button.
3. In the USB-UIRT dialog, press the 'IR Debug' button.
4. Place the AST remote about 2-4" away from the USB-UIRT, aiming the remote just to the left of the USB-UIRT's RED LED.
5. Press and HOLD a button on your AST remote. You should see the progress bar go up and the RED LED flash.
6. Hold the remote's button until the progress bar hits 100%. If the bar stops moving and the LED stops flashing, you may need to release and press the remote button several times (some remotes don't send continuously).

When done, you will get a screen full of numeric data. Simply copy and paste that into a post.

This Debug will help me determine why your AST remote is not generating USB-UIRT codes. Does this problem occur with other remotes (for your TV, etc.)?

As far as Snapstream, you can program the latest Snapstream to work directly with the USB-UIRT. However, Snapstream's support only utilizes the USB-UIRT's TRANSMIT capability. If you want to use the receive capability, you'll still need to use Girder.

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Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:37 am

Here it is!

3752 07FE 020 2907 2072 080 7B2D 07FA 020 28EB 2072 080 7B2B 07FC 020 2907 2072 080 7B28 07FF 020 2904 207A 080 7B23 0804 020 28E4 2074 080 7B28 07FF 020 2904 2075 080 7B2A 07FE 020 2905 2074 080 7B26 0805 020 28E5 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207A 080 7B23 0807 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28DF 207E 080 7B20 0809 020 28FD 207B 080 7B21 0806 020 28FD 207C 080 7B1E 080A 020 28E0 2080 080 7B1B 080C 020 28F6 207F 080 7B23 0808 020 28F6 207F 080 7B20 080B 020 28DF 207B 080 7B1E 080A 020 28FB 207E 080 7B20 0806 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0806 020 28DF 207E 080 7B20 080B 020 28F5 2084 080 7B1B 080C 020 28F6 207F 080 7B1E 080C 020 28DD 207E 080 7B1E
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0805 020 28E4 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E6 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FE 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FE 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207A 080 7B23
0805 020 28FE 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B1E 080A 020 28FB 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FE 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 2074 080 7B25 0806 020 28E1 2079 080 7B25 0808 020 28FE 2075 080 7B26 0805 020 28FE 2077 080 7B28 0803 020 28E2 207E 080 7B20 0803 020 28FF 207E 080 7B21 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 28E2 2080 080 7B1E
0805 020 2900 207D 080 7B1E 0805 020 28FD 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 2902 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B20 080A 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FA 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 2902 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 080A 020 28E1 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 080A 020 28F9 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28FD 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B25
0805 020 28DF 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 080A 020 28E1 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28FD 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 080A 020 28DF 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28FD 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 080A 020 28DF 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FD 207C 080 7B1E
080A 020 28FA 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207C 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E5 207A 080 7B23 0802 020 28FD 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E6 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 080A 020 28FA 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E6 207A 080 7B23
0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 080A 020 28FA 207F 080 7B20 0805 020 28E1 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E6 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 28E4 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E6 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21
0805 020 28E4 207A 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FF 207A 080 7B20 0805 020 28E6 207A 080 7B23 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 28E2 207F 080 7B21 0805 020 28FB 207F 080 7B1E 0805 020 2900 207A 080 7B21 0805 020 28E4 207D 080 7B23 0805 020 28FA 207B 080 7B26 0805 020 28FB 2077 080 7B26 0808 020 28E2 2075 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 2079 080 7B26 0805 020 2900 2075 080 7B28 0803 020 28E2 207E 080 7B21 0803 020 2900 207C 080 7B1E 0805 020 2900 207D 080 7B1E 0805 020 28E4 2077 080 7B28 0803 020 28FD 2078 080 7B25 0805 020 28FD 2079 080 7B26 0801 020 28E9 2077 080 7B26 0801 020 2902 2077 080 7B23
0802 020 2902 2077 080 7B28 07FF 020 28E6 2077 080 7B26 0801 020 2902 2077 080 7B28 07FF 020 2904 2075 080 7B25 0802 020 28E7 2077 080 7B28 07FF 020 2903 2076 080 7B25 0802 020 2900 2079 080 7B26 0801 020 28E9 207A 080 7B23 0801 020 2902 207A 080 7B20 0804 020 28FF 207D 080 7B21 0803 020 28E7 207A 080 7B20 0801 020 2902 2077 080 7B28 07FF 020 2904 2075 080 7B25 0802 020 28E7 207C 080 7B21 0801 020 2903 207B 080 7B23 07FE 020 2905 2074 080


Happy to know that this makes sense to you :lol:

Once again, thank you for your support!


P.S.: This does happen with some butons of other remotes, but not all.
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Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:51 am

Hmmm... this AST remote protocol is indeed strange, and it looks like I will need to make a code revision to support it. Can you give me the model number of the remote or receiver (or kit)?

What other remotes are giving you similar problems? Are they set up to emulate the AST or are they set up to control their own respective devices?

One last request: can you please 'Learn' the TRANSMIT IR CODE for one of your AST buttons?

To do this, follow the procedure you did for IR Debug *except* press the 'Learn' button directly above the 'IR Debug' button instead. When the LEARN dialog pops up, make sure the 'Learn as RAW' checkbox is checked before pressing and holding the remote button. When finished, please copy and post the codes that appear in the 'Code1' and 'Code2' boxes on the USB-UIRT dialog.

Thanks!

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Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:58 am

This is the info on the back of the remote:

AST
P/N: 234540-001
Logitech P/N: 966118-0000

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The other remote giving me similar problems is set up to emulate the AST :oops:

Still, some buttons of my VCR remote or digital cable box are giving me similar problems... But only a few.

About your last request, I'm sorry to inform you that USB-UIRT can't learn anything coming from the AST remote :cry:


Thank you!
sbourdon
 

Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:19 pm

sbourdon,

Thanks. I'd be interested in knowing what those buttons are and what devices (models) they control.

As far as the AST remote -- is this the remote you ultimately want to use to control your PC? (I'm trying to determine how pressing of an issue this is for you).

Thanks,

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Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:38 pm

Hello,

Here is a link to the AST remote which I bought on eBay last year: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... tegory=294

You'll understand that this remote was originally sold with an AST computer and, therefore, it is NOT possible to program it (this remote CANNOT learn any codes). So, if it is too much trouble, I will just get rid of that remote and use a universal remote instead. :wink:

Thank you for your time, patience and devotion; this product rocks and your support is the best around!

Sylvain Bourdon
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Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:13 pm

Sylvain,

Does the remote by any chance emulate a mouse too?

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Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:32 pm

Yes, it does!
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Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:45 pm

Yep, I was afraid of that! This makes me 90% sure that the AST remote essentially uses the Logitech/Lite-on keyboard transmitter chip, which means it would use a similar protocol to the airboard keyboards. I'll take a look at one of those keyboards to verify...

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Postby sbourdon » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:13 pm

And if it does use a similar protocol to the airboard keyboards, does it means that it won't be compatible with the USB-UIRT?
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Postby jrhees » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:56 pm

No, not necessarily. It basically means that it is using a subset of a more 'advanced' protocol (needed for keyboards to handle keypress combinations, etc.). The USB-UIRT firmware will need to have special decode routines (likely) for this protocol. I need to do some more research on this...

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Postby sbourdon » Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:33 am

Hello again,

I'm now using other remotes and USB-UIRT has no problem learning those codes... but now I have another problem (this time with Girder)! :shock:

When the action to be executed by Girder is a combination of keys (like "Control + s" or "ALT + right arrow"), the command isn't executed. The USB-UIRT receives the signal and so does Girder (they both flash), but nothing happens. I've tried with and without the "Alternative proc." option checked, but it doesn't change anything. It used to work fine with my old AST remote, with the same version of Girder... :(

Do you have any suggestion?

Thank you!
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